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#1 2008-11-25 16:07:23

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Róznice pomiędzy ZA i NLD

Czy ktoś mógłby dobrze opisać róznice pomiędzy tymi dwoma zaburzeniami? Bo ja myślę, że ZA ma większe deficyty w teorii umysłu.

#2 2014-10-12 20:30:17

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Re: Róznice pomiędzy ZA i NLD

Classic forms of NVLD and AS are just subtypes of aucorigia

#3 2014-10-16 13:56:04

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Re: Róznice pomiędzy ZA i NLD

Both NLD and autism were named as "serious and complex developmental disability".

Classic autism can have strengths which NLD has not, such as strong visual thinking or eidetic memory.

"NLD" looks to be something MORE than a learning disability. It is a serious and complex developmental disability. It is a sort of "global psychical disability". It is like "hyperverbal autism". "NVLD" is misnamed for me. The mame NVLD is misleading. It is not only educational problem in most cases. It is a type of "acoria", something like autism and PDD. Main symtoms of acoria are in: social, emotional and behavioral areas. There are usually sensory, motoric and learning anomalies.

#4 2014-10-24 10:03:03

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Re: Róznice pomiędzy ZA i NLD

NLD is the term which is used inappriopiately and it makes confusion and rumors. People with NLD should be diagnosed as having "aucorigia".

#5 2014-10-24 10:04:53

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Re: Róznice pomiędzy ZA i NLD

"Aucorigia" is something which represents some group of serious developmental problem. It is more than autism. It is "high-functioning PDD and surroundings".

#6 2014-11-14 12:24:54

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Re: Róznice pomiędzy ZA i NLD

"NLD" is a misnamed pervasive developmental disorder. It is "hyperverbal", rather than "hypervisual". NVLD is "hyperlogia", hyperlogic ASD.

Kannerity may be in kanneroid form (BAP and similar aucorigias), kannerotypal (classic AS), kanneric (childhood autism). It is like schizoid - schizotypal - schizophrenic.

Kannerity traits are for exapmle:

- ususally visual thinking rather than verbal
- serious sensory integration disorders
- caseine and gluten intolerance, IBS
- difficulties in social communication
- dislike for change, making things in the same way

Hyperlogia is not kannerity. It also has social ineptitude and obsessiveness, but not so large sensory problems (and they may be of other type), talents are rather in "verbal" area than "technical", maybe it is associated in perinatal problems. Sometimes hyperlogia can co-occur with kannerity. Some traits overlap. Hyperlogia has less tendencies to rigid thinking.

#7 2014-12-15 07:51:44

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Re: Róznice pomiędzy ZA i NLD

NLD is a big misname.

ADHD also appear to be misname, it appears to be more "developmental impulsivity disorder" than "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder". So the term ADHD is misleading?

#8 2014-12-18 14:05:16

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Re: Róznice pomiędzy ZA i NLD

NLD - visual-spatial deficit.

"NLD" - a form of developmental flexible autism, probably not related to Kanner's disorder.

#9 2014-12-29 08:19:36

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For me "S-NLD" is a pervasive developmental disorder, not (just) a learning problem! I may name it eponymically as "Mamen syndrome" (MS) which was named as "social NLD" in M. Mamen's book. But this name is not more appropiate than "autistic psychopathy" given to AS by Hans Asperger.

("Classic") AS looks more like "geek syndrome" ("specialised" ones, more "(classically) autistic-like"), MS may be (more like) "nerd syndrome" ("very boring", more "versatile" ones).

"Mamen syndrome" would be classified by me in PDD category, wich is more serious than LD category, "autistic psychopathy" is also claasified now as a PDD not as a personality disorder.

Some analogies between Asperger syndrome and Mamen syndrome:

AS:
- name given by "founder": "autistic psychopathy",
- nickname: "geek syndrome",
- now classified as PDD;

MS:
- name given by "founder": "social NLD (nonverbal learning disability/disorder)",
- nickname: "nerd syndrome",
- should be not classified as LD, but as PDD (other sort of autistic spectrum for me, may be not related to Kanner's disorder at all)

#10 2015-04-22 10:27:40

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Aucorigia symptoms:

- beginning of the occurrence of the symptoms in earlier childhood;
- marked problems with expressive or (and) receptive nonverbal communications;
- problems with social interactions;
- deficits in social reciprocity (such as one-sided conversations or interactions, diminished social needs);
- "obsessive', atypical interests, often narrow, repetitive, stereotyped;
- strange customs, routines, rituals;
- "positive activity disorders", like hyperactivity, autostimulating behaviors, mannerisms, tics;
- sensory oversensitivity or (and) hyposensitivity (especially to touch);
- clumsiness (to a different degree)

"Social-emotional learning disability" symptoms:

- lack of empathy (especially cognitive one) and (or) compassion,
- lack of understanding of lying and intentions,
- inability to mentalise emotional states of others,
- lack of understanding why something is offensive for other person,
- "painful" honesty,
- being very naive and gullible,
- lack of pragmatic skills,
- literal interpretations,
- policing behaviors (applying the same rules to everybody regardless of the circumstances),
- thinking that other people thinking just as I (and have, for example, the same interests as I),
- lack of interest in rivalisation and (or) understanding of it (why someone is happy when is a winner?),
- poor understanding of social situations,
- poor understanding of motives of other people,
- alexithymia,
- lack of common sense in social situations (for example taking toys of other child because a child with SELD thought that other child will like "me" because of it) - idiosyncratic and "illogical" behaviors in social interactions,
- "intense" imitative behaviors (associated with cognitive deficits in socio-emotional area?),
- lack of knowledge about emotion which should be felt in particular situation (such as after death of an uncle),
- difficulty with describing emotional states of other (for example characters in the novel) and creating stories containing descriptions of emotional states,
- problems with imaginative play and understanding of it,
- problems with recognising people and faces and memorising facts about people)

"Kannerotypy" symptoms:


- speech delay (or even lack of it),
- language impairments,
- problems with communicative use of language
- lack of central coherence,
- difficulties with looking to objects or ideas as a whole, seeing everything "in parts"
- no "internal voice" in head (lack of verbal and (or) conceptual thinking),
- clear dominance of visual thinking,
- literal, concrete, rigid thinking,
- lack of abstract thinking, difficulties with understanding abstract concepts,
- having "narrow" mind,
- over-attention to detail, missing the "big picture"
- echolalia,
- pronoun reversal, lack of using the pronoun "I"
- difficulty with differentiating self and others,
- serious or even profound problems with sensory integration,
- being overwhelmed by sensory stimuli easily,
- "meltdowns", attacks of anger or fear
- "splinter skills", "islets" of abilities
- necessity of sameness,
- compulsive adherence to nonfunctional routines and rituals,
- stereotypical movements like hand flapping, body rocking, head-banging, tiptoe walking,
- preoccupation with the parts of objects;
- gluten and casein intolerance

SELD + "kannerotypy" = typical infantile autism

#11 2015-04-22 10:30:20

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Re: Róznice pomiędzy ZA i NLD

Aucorigia DOES NOT mean SELD or "kannerotypy"! Aucorigia symptoms looks similarily to ASD symptoms from DSM-V. Aucorigia may have different etiologies.

#12 2015-05-01 18:21:46

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Re: Róznice pomiędzy ZA i NLD

For me words such as "Aspie", "Aspergian" should refer to heterogenous spectrum which include complex psycho(neuro)developmental differences such as for example "NVLD" and ASD which are characterised mainly by social inadequacy and peculiarity. An Aspie can have a disorder which is not related to "typical" autism (Kanner's syndrome) at all. I might even say that "more classical" Aspie is rather "NVLDish" than "autistic"...

Both "NVLDers" and "ASers" are "Aspijczycy" and "Aspijki". "Social NLD" is something more than just a learning disability.

#13 2015-06-11 08:30:06

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Re: Róznice pomiędzy ZA i NLD

https://www.understood.org/en/learning- … sabilities

Some fragments:

(...) Remember that kids with NVLD have trouble sensing sarcasm and tone of voice, and they’re likely to take instructions literally. (...)

(...) Help with transitions. Kids with NVLD tend to dislike change because it’s hard for them to understand. They may not have the abstract thinking skills needed to envision what’s going to happen next. (...)

(...) Kids with NVLD can become overwhelmed by too much sensory input, such as noise, smells, sounds and temperature.

It fits to Kanner's syndrome also...

Ostatnio edytowany przez noclaut2 (2015-06-11 08:30:50)

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