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#1 2016-02-18 23:53:57

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Against Sodom

Sodomy is associated with profanation, humilitation of personal dignity and impure pleasure.

Two Biblical stories about sodomy in Sodom and Gibeah (in which sodomic intercourse did not take place) were associated with:
- intercourse against nature (very humilitating for personal dignity, repulsive and in fact non-procreative at all)
- non-marital intercourse
- same-sex intercourse (men with another man)
- involuntary intercourse (rape)
- "mass" intercourse (many men)

It looks that many men in Sodom and Gibeah tried to rape anally another men. Humilitation of another person might be main motivation of it, not (just) libidinal lust
Sodomites might want to profoundly, totally humilitate Lot and two angels by ejaculating own semen in another man's rectum. It looks very abhorrent and blasphemous for dignity of human and family at all.

They did not want to ejaculate own semen in own wives' vaginas for procreation of offspring to the Kingdom of Heaven.

So the semen would not be passed to internal female genitals, but to lower end of male digestive traits. In internal female genitals semen could find egg cell which gives chance to procreation. What semen could find in lower end of digestive traits? Feces - impurities, something repulsive!

Feces look as "sensual symbol" of sin, they come out of bowels of human who was contaminated by original sin.

So sodomy has repulsive metaphorical associations - it "symbolises for me" procreation from sin, creating sentient beings thanks to sin. Sodomy is totally against dignity of creation and against love and goodness. In sodomy feces became "the analog" of egg cell and rectum became "the analog" of vagina. Sodomy "means" that human is born of sin, which is not true and absurdal, sodomy "symbolises for me" that human exists thanks to the existence of sin, which looks in fact very blasphemous - it would mean that evil of creatures who sinned, not Goodness of The Most High, is necessary cause and requirement for creation of a human being. Sodomy symbolises scary idea that people exist thank to evil, thank to sin (especially sin of fallen angels).

A righteous man who sodomites wanted to rape might symbolise the Creator - which would make sodomy even more strikingly blasphemous!

#2 2016-02-19 00:22:57

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Re: Against Sodom

Anal "sex" - "physical image of sin", blasphemous parody of love, goodness, family and sexuality.

It is certainly not for procreation. It can be practiced mainly for impure bliss.
It looks as an act of ruthless domination, dehumanization of the passive partner. It may "reduce" passive partner to "an anus".
It looks as a "sounding picture of sin itself". It is NOT beautiful.

It looks that men in Sodom and Gibeah wanted to commit mass anal rape on a person who had the same sex as them. It is blatantly against Order and Dignity in creation. Why such a thing came to their minds? This behavior looks like "furious rage" against beauty, innocence, order, dignity of creation. It is "complete parody and profanation", desacration of personhood, procreation, family, sexuality and body.

#3 2016-03-30 21:27:52

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Re: Against Sodom

I think that Incarnation is definitely NOT DEPENDENT of ANY sin, also of the sin of Adam. In the world without sin there would be no need of Redemption, of course. But all people would be immaculate and sinless and saved for eternity. No sin, no guilt, no lust, no ugliness, no pain, no punishment at all.

For me the theory that there would be NO Incarnation without the existence of sin looks... blatantly wrong, "in some way potentially very blasphemous"! It makes SIN a "PARENT" of The Most Beautiful of Human Natures in some sense! It makes the existence of Human Nature of Christ a consequence of sin!

Incarnation is the most beautiful "Part" of the Creation. Without Incarnation there would be also no great dignity of Christ's Mother. It would be very sad if existence of any human would be a result of sin. I do not believe in dependence of creating any person of sin.

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